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  Don't read this!! As I am really P....off at the WT and have to vent

  by RedPill2006 in

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  2. beliefs

  today i have realized (once more) how the watchtower shit cult has ruined my life!

  today i am really pissed off at them...... i'm writing this hoping that two groups of people read this.

  either some watchtower people that monitor this site or people that think to join this crap!.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Your vent helps many realize that they are not alone. Some other posters have made good suggestions. I like Gill's. You can expose certain aspects of the WTS Corporation. Many of us would like for you to exploit it. Being an active elder gives you some access and leverage.

  Just don't get involved too much procedure-wise. It will sap your energy. We know that you are mentally out. If you believe in God and Jesus, just treat your fellow members in the congregation as Christ would. Keep the dangerous fanatical Pharisee like ones away from you. You don't need them. You can still be a refreshing person to all you know, at home, work and in the neighborhood.

  When I find that many people who are frustrated and depressed about being a JW is when they are following men and men's rules/traditions. No wonder why Jesus felt sorry for the people who were under the yoke of the religious leaders of that time.

  To feel better, exercise some. It does a world of good.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Aus Bethel 06 Annual Report - INCREDIBLE 50% DECREASE in donations

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just purchased the 2006 annual report for the australian watchtower bible and tract society.

  below are the highlights.

  most incredible is that donations dropped by almost 50%, from 15 million dollars to only 10 million dollars.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  The one thing I am not sure of is how much is staying in congregations. Maybe the WTS is afraid of loosing everything through law suites, so encouraging the congregations to keep the donations individually in congregation accounts. Do any elders on JWD know if there has been any letters in regards to donations recently?

  As I used to be the account servant at my former congregation, so I can say what we did. The POs instructions was for me to electronically wire half of the congregations bank account to New York once that amount reached US$5000. It was to be a congregation donation to the worldwide work.

  I've been account servant for five years there. We reached $5000 in the congregation account three times during that time period (late 90's early 2000's). I don't know if this happens at all congregations. I suppose each has their own procedure.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Went to Mormon Temple today

  by pollyana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to hear a prophet speak.

  ya, ya this is joe hoover's playground but....learning about species 8179 can only add more perspective (and ammunition) to combat the warped world of joe hoover.

  from all i've read about the wts i was afraid, terribly afraid.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I'm planning on having Mormon Missionaries *and* the Pioneers attend my house the same night and time for bible study. I can't wait to see

  It could be an interesting episode if it were aired on some type of reality TV program.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Anyone find any decent pro-Witness sites?

  by IsaacJS2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as i've mentioned a few times before, i'm working on a round of articles for austin cline's site.

  the final "big daddy" article is an evaluation: is the wts a controlling, harmful cult?

  but i don't plan on doing an attack article.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  A fairly decent pro-JW site:

  http://www.witnessoftruth.com/articles/index.html

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  I believe I am getting there

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent post, i asked for help with a "jw" organization chart i am trying to create.. my greatest problem was with understanding the relationships at the "upper level" of the organization.

  i have addressed this in some detail in my latest iteration and believe i am getting closer.. my picture is at:.

  http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/org_chart.pdf.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Not according to the May 1 2007 Watchtower.
  
  Members of the FDS do not have any special "insights" and they don't have more "holy spirit" than the "other sheep" class. But they are under the direction of the GB. So I count three classes now. The "other sheep", the "FDS" and above all the GB.

  Pardon me bob1999, but they never once used the term "Faithful and Discreet Slave" in that article that you are referring to. They use the word "annointed" only.

  Do you see the direction that this is going? The next new light will be that the GB is the FDS that is dispensing food at the proper time. And get this, most of the JWs will swallow that whole because they all know that the scattered remaining annointed has absolutely no input what-so-ever in doctrine or organizational issues.

  So yes, the GB is the FDS. You heard it first on JWD.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Did An Elder or "Brother" or "Sister" Ever Lose It With You???

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  some persons are tempestous.

  they may fly off the handle just like that!.

  have you ever experienced a witness who just "lost it" with you??

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I thought you were referring to a brother or sister's virginity.

  If that is the case, NO.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Getting on the elders nerves...

  by Alligator Wisdom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...without doing anything unscriptural.. what made them jealous, nervous or afraid of your behavior that wasn't against anything in the bible?.

  for me, i find plenty of information on this forum way before any in the congregation (or circuit/district for that matter).

  everything from new campaigns, death of gb members, letter to the body of elders (as in the new wt format arrangement starting next year), question from readers in wt magazines that haven't even been delivered to the congregation, ordering the new revelation book in paperback with the revisions already in it while the entire congregation is cutting and pasting out of the kingdom ministry insert...etc.. how do i know all of these things?

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  Alligator Wisdom

  ...without doing anything unscriptural.

  What made them jealous, nervous or afraid of your behavior that wasn't against anything in the Bible?

  For me, I find plenty of information on this forum way before any in the congregation (or circuit/district for that matter). Everything from new campaigns, death of GB members, letter to the Body of Elders (as in the new WT format arrangement starting next year), Question from Readers in WT magazines that haven't even been delivered to the congregation, ordering the new Revelation book in paperback with the revisions already in it while the entire congregation is cutting and pasting out of the Kingdom Ministry insert...etc.

  How do I know all of these things? I'm not even an elder. The others in the congregation tend to seek me for advance information. The elder body is quite disturbed and jealous about this. A few elders ask me how do I know all these things before they do. I just say that some friends told me (as they know that I have JW acquaintances all over the world in various congregations and branch offices, with several in New York).

  They are uneasy that some of their power in terms of information control isn't under their constraint.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

  P.S. Thanks to all posters on JWD for your contributions!!
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  I believe I am getting there

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent post, i asked for help with a "jw" organization chart i am trying to create.. my greatest problem was with understanding the relationships at the "upper level" of the organization.

  i have addressed this in some detail in my latest iteration and believe i am getting closer.. my picture is at:.

  http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/org_chart.pdf.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  What about inserting the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" in brackets besides the Governing Body. Afterall, the GB is the FDS in reality. Oh yes they are! It comes down to that and not the scattered remaining annointed throughout the earth.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  "A Tremendous Teaching Tool!"

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the above is the title of the "article" on the back of the april 2007 awake!

  magazine.

  what follows is the body of the "article.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Don't forget that the WTS is a publishing company with many departments. One of them, the Writing Department, has a small group within. This small group of brothers are basically involved in marketing and advertising. They are the ones that produce the back page articles.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Does turning in time control the masses.

  by Nulite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  every month the faithful dutifully calculate their blood and sweat, slaving for watchtumor.

  does it ever occur to them, that this timeclock mentality has its roots in secularism and not christianity.

  there are no scriptural precedents for the calculating and turning in of time for the governing body.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I suggested to the elders that everyone should turn in their field service report, but without names. I used Matthew 6:2,3 as my scriptural basis.

  The answer I got wasn't based on scripture. One elder said it was to monitor the spiritual health of the individual sheep. I then used Matthew 13:23 as my rebuttal. The elder than replied that it was direction from the FDS. He didn't show any scriptures. He did, however, suggest that I look up the publications. I thought that these men were supposed to be teachers and have the ability to reason. I thought wrong.

  I could understand the idea of turning in a field service report could produce positive results in the ministry from a regional/worldwide viewpoint. However, at the individual level it should not be held against anyone. Thus, the suggestion of the no name reports. Maybe I ought to write Brooklyn about this.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

  P.S. I always seem to forget turning in my report on time. The secretary always has to take the extra step to find or call me.